Ron 10 #1 January 12, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/01/10/sprj.irq.chemicals/index.html Gee, I thought he didn't have any? Wrapped in plastic. Seems like they were not just dumped."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #2 January 12, 2004 "The shells are at least 10 years old, and a U.S. Army official said he suspects the ordnance was surplus from the Iran-Iraq war in the mid-1980s." 'Gee, I thought he didn't have any?' Seems more archeology than technology though.... Indiana Jones and the Weapons Of Mass Destruction...if you will.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #3 January 12, 2004 Where in the hell did you get "WMD in Iraq...found some" out of that article? It says that nowhere. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #4 January 12, 2004 "Where in the hell did you get "WMD in Iraq...found some" out of that article?" I didn't, I'm guessing you addressed that to Ron....?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #5 January 12, 2004 Yes I did. Lol, I always reply to the bottom thread...bad habit. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #6 January 12, 2004 QuoteWhere in the hell did you get "WMD in Iraq...found some" out of that article? It says that nowhere This kinda says it: QuoteDanish troops have found suspicious mortar shells in southern Iraq that officials believe contain blister agents, And this? QuoteBrig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, a U.S. Army spokesman, said Saturday that the 120 mm mortars were filled with liquid Unless they were for high tech water ballon fights."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #7 January 12, 2004 Wow, we need to send you to school to learn how to comprehend articles. Here's a part you obviously missed in the very article you put a link to... QuoteBoth the U.S. and British governments cited the threat of illicit weapons of mass destruction as a main reason for launching the Iraq war. However, no such weapons have been found so far. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #8 January 12, 2004 QuoteIndiana Jones and the Weapons Of Mass Destruction...if you will. Lol, now THAT'S some funny shit. Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #9 January 12, 2004 More thoughts on this topic here. edited to fix the clicky "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 January 12, 2004 QuoteWow, we need to send you to school to learn how to comprehend articles I guess I missed that in my "SF" training. However this makes it sure seem like they are WMD's: QuoteDanish troops have found dozens of mortar rounds buried in Iraq which initial tests show could contain blister gas, the Danish army says. Quote"All the instruments showed indications of the same type of chemical compound, namely blister gas," the Danish Army Operational Command said on its Web site on Saturday, cautioning that further tests were needed So far seems to point that way. It could prove to be just like the sarin gas....But it could also prove to be real. This does not mean he had a WMD program..It just means that instead od destroying them like he said he did...That he just hid them."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #11 January 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteWow, we need to send you to school to learn how to comprehend articles I guess I missed that in my "SF" training. However this makes it sure seem like they are WMD's: QuoteDanish troops have found dozens of mortar rounds buried in Iraq which initial tests show could contain blister gas, the Danish army says. Quote"All the instruments showed indications of the same type of chemical compound, namely blister gas," the Danish Army Operational Command said on its Web site on Saturday, cautioning that further tests were needed So far seems to point that way. It could prove to be just like the sarin gas....But it could also prove to be real. This does not mean he had a WMD program..It just means that instead od destroying them like he said he did...That he just hid them. Ron, you were in the military. There isn't a base in the world that doesn't have some stuff dumped in odd places by a bunch of PFCs who couldn't be bothered to go through the proper procedures. US bases find stuff all the time too. A few dozen ancient shells is evidence of not much at all. Have you any idea how much plutonium cannot be accounted for in the US inventory?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #12 January 12, 2004 QuoteRon, you were in the military. There isn't a base in the world that doesn't have some stuff dumped in odd places by a bunch of PFCs who couldn't be bothered to go through the proper procedures. US bases find stuff all the time too. Packed in plastic and dumped in a marsh? I guess Saddam was an environmentalist at heart. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #13 January 12, 2004 QuoteWow, we need to send you to school to learn how to comprehend articles. I guess he was in charm school when you were doing English comprehension. That's the thing about a liberal arts education, everyone gets a bit of all the classes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 January 12, 2004 QuoteRon, you were in the military. There isn't a base in the world that doesn't have some stuff dumped in odd places by a bunch of PFCs who couldn't be bothered to go through the proper procedures. US bases find stuff all the time too. Any PFCs or former PFCs (or equivalent ranks) out there want to comment on how incompetent and lazy you were in following procedures? Apparently you are all the same and can't be trusted to do your job. I was an officer in the Nuclear Navy and our sailors and marines followed disposal procedures to the finest detail. These procedures were also monitored very strictly at headquarters and by civilian groups. Shipyard shutdowns required intense environmental review and exceeded any watered down civilian requirements. In my tour, the biggest environmental messes were caused by Greenpeace (driving leaking ships up to subs for protest), and one nut in Idaho that dumped a bunch of red paint on the ground (again, in protest). Where exactly do you get your info? At fancy dinners with 4-star generals and admirals? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #15 January 12, 2004 QuoteRon, you were in the military. There isn't a base in the world that doesn't have some stuff dumped in odd places by a bunch of PFCs who couldn't be bothered to go through the proper procedures. US bases find stuff all the time too. A few dozen ancient shells is evidence of not much at all. True, but when I dumped....I mean the RUMOR that has been told about dumping stuff..It was not wrapped in plastic...It was more like thrown into a lake with no desire to protect it since we didn't care about that stuff, and had no plans to go get it at anytime. Also, anything of value like night vision equipment had to be turned in and accounted for...Any weapons had to be turned in and accounted for. And the Automated Net Control Device (ANCD) that had the CODSEC in it (And I had to have a secret clearance to carry in the field, or even from the Commo shop to the company safe) had to be accounted for. IF they ever gave a WMD...I can bet that they would not just let me wrap it in some plastic and chuck it to the woods. Also, Im not saying that he had a WMD program that was active when we invaded. However I am saying that since we have been looking for a while...And that we are starting to find evidence that he DID hide WMD's....That he, or his goverment DID plan on hiding them, and having access to them. This is not the smoking gun that proves he was planning on using WMD's...But it IS evidence that he DID hide them."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 January 12, 2004 OK, good point. I was talking specifically about enviro or nuclear material, not just junk. But I'd say that WMD is more along the lines of these controlled material, not just random junk. So my comments stand. No good PFC would just dump a weapon, nor would he be allowed to anyway. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #17 January 12, 2004 QuoteNo good PFC would just dump a weapon, nor would he be allowed to anyway. Yeah its to much fun to use them anywayBut you are right anything of value, or anything that could cause damage is checked for. We did have a bunch of parachute flares, signal smoke and star clusters that were not checked for...But any Ammo, or really cool things like Grenades (Even training), or rocket launchers had to be checked in or accounted for. I would bet that anything nuclear, or some chemical weapons would be looked at with a microscope. Also, disposing of a few really neat WMD's would not be given to some PFC to do on his own. So this does fit into the whole "They had 'em, and they hid 'em with plans to get 'em back"."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vonSanta 0 #18 January 12, 2004 Leave it to Danes to find chemicals Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 January 12, 2004 Quote I would bet that anything nuclear, or some chemical weapons would be looked at with a microscope. <> Also, disposing of a few really neat WMD's would not be given to some PFC to do on his own. So this does fit into the whole "They had 'em, and they hid 'em with plans to get 'em back". <I was just sticking up for our servicemen against K's blanket statement. I don't think it was warranted when considering disposal of the 'big' stuff.>> Edit: And the Danes are great allies. If it were "some" other countries, they'd probably have kept it hushed up and sent a note to Howard Dean. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #20 January 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteNo good PFC would just dump a weapon, nor would he be allowed to anyway. Yeah its to much fun to use them anywayBut you are right anything of value, or anything that could cause damage is checked for. We did have a bunch of parachute flares, signal smoke and star clusters that were not checked for...But any Ammo, or really cool things like Grenades (Even training), or rocket launchers had to be checked in or accounted for. I would bet that anything nuclear, or some chemical weapons would be looked at with a microscope. Also, disposing of a few really neat WMD's would not be given to some PFC to do on his own. So this does fit into the whole "They had 'em, and they hid 'em with plans to get 'em back". According to figures from the Federal Government, there are over 2.7 tons of weapons grade plutonium unaccounted for in the US inventory. For comparison purposes, only 3.4 tons have been used in all the weapons tests ever carried out by the US plus the bombing of Nagasaki. Compared with us, the Iraqis are mere pikers. (Maybe we're hiding it somewhere).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #21 January 12, 2004 >But you are right anything of value, or anything that could cause >damage is checked for. . . . >I would bet that anything nuclear, or some chemical weapons would > be looked at with a microscope. From Rense.com: Mystery Live Bacteria Found Buried At Fort Detrick 1-19-02 FREDERICK, Md. -- Workers excavating a water-polluting dump at Fort Detrick found two sealed glass vials containing live bacteria that might have come from an infectious disease research laboratory, the Army said Friday. --------------- So - who were we planning to attack with these carefully hidden vials of biological weapons? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #22 January 12, 2004 QuoteFrom Rense.com: Mystery Live Bacteria Found Buried At Fort Detrick 1-19-02 FREDERICK, Md. -- Workers excavating a water-polluting dump at Fort Detrick found two sealed glass vials containing live bacteria that might have come from an infectious disease research laboratory, the Army said Friday. --------------- So - who were we planning to attack with these carefully hidden vials of biological weapons? I don't know..Maybe Iraq should have invaded us then? Maybe the UN will put a resolution against us...And we can ignore them. The point is quite simply that he claimed to have them. He claimed to have gotten rid of them, but could not prove he did. He then told his army to use them on US forces when we reached Bagdad. Now I don't think he had an active WMD program. However he did have them, and he didn't destroy them all now did he? These sure seemed to be hidden, not just disposed of. And like a buddy of mine told me...I don't need a better reason to go to war than to have a guy claim to hate me, and threaten me. Add in that the UN had warned him, and that he continued to play slicky boy games....I agree with taking him out. And this proves he hid stuff, and not destroyed it. There will be more found."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #23 January 12, 2004 Wingloadings Of Mass Destruction ? Sorry Ron. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #24 January 12, 2004 Quotehttp://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/01/10/sprj.irq.chemicals/index.html Gee, I thought he didn't have any? Wrapped in plastic. Seems like they were not just dumped. WMD's can be expensive to dispose of properly. In the US we built multi billion dollar incinerator's to burn that crap at the correct temperature and monitor the smoke stack to verify the process is working. We're still burning and may be still building the incinerator's at some stockpile locations because we do not want to transport those jewels. I'm not a IT type of a person but there's was a AP article in this weekends paper entitled "Pentagon auditors "fixed" files report says." The article goes on to say that the I.G. found the auditors spent 1100 hr's altering their files to pass a internal review. The auditor's defense was they were just upgrading their files. which included deleteing electronic files. This is the same agency that is tasked to audit Haliburten's gasoline contract where there's some confusion about $61,000,000 in overcharges. I'm not saying the files that were deleted or upgraded were haliburton files. Bur the agency's ability to conduct themselve's in a independent manner is questionable. Tsk tsk can we believe the 3 star that announced no overcharges were found by these auditor's. Will we find WMD's in Iraq that are useable I don't know it's a big place. Do i care? Hell no. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #25 January 12, 2004 >Maybe Iraq should have invaded us then? ?? What are you talking about? Finding WMD's of any sort in dumps isn't a good reason to invade either Iraq _or_ the US. The things have to go somewhere; they're not the kind of thing you can just drain into the grass behind the house. (Although usually we do a better job of disposing of them than throwing them in a waste pit.) >And like a buddy of mine told me...I don't need a better reason to >go to war than to have a guy claim to hate me, and threaten me. I sure hope our president is smarter than your buddy! We don't need a war with China and North Korea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
